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		<title>By: unclegluon</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>unclegluon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do football players play football as an occasional hobby?  No.  It is their life, their social circle, their source of status.  Football players are not exactly textbook examples of well-rounded individuals.

You are not comparing equivalent values when you compare DandD versus football.  Though you strive for a sense of balance it is clear that you weigh in favor of the socialite.

How much is too much(inordinate)? Anything beyond the occasional indulgence according to you.  You might say very similar things about liquor or smoking.  A bad thing that won&#039;t hurt you so long as you limit it to just a little bit.  You clearly imply that it is a moderately permissable vice rather than the foundation of a social life or lifestyle.
For you there seems to be nothing in between &quot;to the exclusion of everything else&quot; and &quot;occassionally during your leisure time&quot;

 Presumably this occasional indulgence is kept well out of sight and away from the public eye.  This is what I can&#039;t help but extrapolate from your use of &#039;leisure time&#039;, &#039;release/escape.&#039;

You do not explicitly say so, but your tone strongly suggests that DandD is at best a closet activity to be concealed out of a healthy sense of shame.
It does not occur to you that DandD or any other activity associated with nerdliness could lead to their own social circles and their own sources of status.
What then is inordinate?  Football players are expected to spend more time and effort on football than they do in school.  They receive praise for doing so.
I would point out that your standards are heavily skewed.  Bias is of course unavoidable.  I will be the first to say that it is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; my aim to be impartial on this blog.  However, we should at least be aware of where we stand.

I think most of us want a mate with whom we are compatible.  If introverts are drawn to the pickup scene, it is an understandable reaction to a lifestyle of involuntary celibacy.  In such a lifestyle, actually finding a compatible companion seems so distant as to be beyond hope.  Promiscuity is all that appears to remain.
I&#039;ve spent years in that place and I&#039;m glad to be finally be out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do football players play football as an occasional hobby?  No.  It is their life, their social circle, their source of status.  Football players are not exactly textbook examples of well-rounded individuals.</p>
<p>You are not comparing equivalent values when you compare DandD versus football.  Though you strive for a sense of balance it is clear that you weigh in favor of the socialite.</p>
<p>How much is too much(inordinate)? Anything beyond the occasional indulgence according to you.  You might say very similar things about liquor or smoking.  A bad thing that won&#8217;t hurt you so long as you limit it to just a little bit.  You clearly imply that it is a moderately permissable vice rather than the foundation of a social life or lifestyle.<br />
For you there seems to be nothing in between &#8220;to the exclusion of everything else&#8221; and &#8220;occassionally during your leisure time&#8221;</p>
<p> Presumably this occasional indulgence is kept well out of sight and away from the public eye.  This is what I can&#8217;t help but extrapolate from your use of &#8216;leisure time&#8217;, &#8216;release/escape.&#8217;</p>
<p>You do not explicitly say so, but your tone strongly suggests that DandD is at best a closet activity to be concealed out of a healthy sense of shame.<br />
It does not occur to you that DandD or any other activity associated with nerdliness could lead to their own social circles and their own sources of status.<br />
What then is inordinate?  Football players are expected to spend more time and effort on football than they do in school.  They receive praise for doing so.<br />
I would point out that your standards are heavily skewed.  Bias is of course unavoidable.  I will be the first to say that it is <b>not</b> my aim to be impartial on this blog.  However, we should at least be aware of where we stand.</p>
<p>I think most of us want a mate with whom we are compatible.  If introverts are drawn to the pickup scene, it is an understandable reaction to a lifestyle of involuntary celibacy.  In such a lifestyle, actually finding a compatible companion seems so distant as to be beyond hope.  Promiscuity is all that appears to remain.<br />
I&#8217;ve spent years in that place and I&#8217;m glad to be finally be out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,
I am an introvert and derived massive comfort from this site. Kindly tell me who write all this..I mean the owner of this site? I would love to communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
I am an introvert and derived massive comfort from this site. Kindly tell me who write all this..I mean the owner of this site? I would love to communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: Pickup Lines</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickup Lines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on what kind of woman you are trying to attract -- someone who values you for your brains and interests or just for your money/looks/etc.
I have said this before, but it also has to do with being a well-rounded individual. Of course if you are obsessed with D&amp;D to the exclusion of everything else, than obviously there is a problem there. If it is something you do occassionally during your leisure time as a release/escape than that should not hinder your appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on what kind of woman you are trying to attract &#8212; someone who values you for your brains and interests or just for your money/looks/etc.<br />
I have said this before, but it also has to do with being a well-rounded individual. Of course if you are obsessed with D&amp;D to the exclusion of everything else, than obviously there is a problem there. If it is something you do occassionally during your leisure time as a release/escape than that should not hinder your appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Pickup Lines</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickup Lines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t necessarily think it is the chosen hobby that makes the man (D&amp;D versus football) I think it has more to do with how much they obsess about it or put inordinately too much time into it. THe key is to use moderation and attempt to be a well-rounded individual, imho</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily think it is the chosen hobby that makes the man (D&amp;D versus football) I think it has more to do with how much they obsess about it or put inordinately too much time into it. THe key is to use moderation and attempt to be a well-rounded individual, imho</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unclegluon, what has been your worse experience with an extroverted individual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unclegluon, what has been your worse experience with an extroverted individual?</p>
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		<title>By: unclegluon</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>unclegluon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done more than give an introvert girl a chance!  I&#039;m in a relationship with one.

But, for most of my life I have encountered a relentless barrage of women who saw me as an untouchable because of my lack of congruency with the larger society.
Perhaps later in life, many subtle people eventually manage to get a partner, after 10-15 years of involuntary celibacy/unsatisfactory relationships.  I would suppose many others are not so lucky.
It is not right to forget or dismiss years of troubles as soon as life finally does go right against the odds.

And I must pose the question: have the former prom queens suddenly changed from the precedent established by their younger life or have they noticed that many of these previously untouchable men now have impressive certificates and positions with the official stamp of the larger society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done more than give an introvert girl a chance!  I&#8217;m in a relationship with one.</p>
<p>But, for most of my life I have encountered a relentless barrage of women who saw me as an untouchable because of my lack of congruency with the larger society.<br />
Perhaps later in life, many subtle people eventually manage to get a partner, after 10-15 years of involuntary celibacy/unsatisfactory relationships.  I would suppose many others are not so lucky.<br />
It is not right to forget or dismiss years of troubles as soon as life finally does go right against the odds.</p>
<p>And I must pose the question: have the former prom queens suddenly changed from the precedent established by their younger life or have they noticed that many of these previously untouchable men now have impressive certificates and positions with the official stamp of the larger society.</p>
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		<title>By: IntrovertZone</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>IntrovertZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of shallow girls who roll their eyes about the sorts of things you like, but I have found that as these girls grow up, they finally learn to appreciate the stability of a guy who has a brain and uses it.  I know many, many couples where the guy is an engineer or surgeon and his wife is an extroverted social director.  Or perhaps you should give an introverted girl a chance!  See the girl who&#039;s reading a book over there....she may not be into the games you like, but you two can have lots of good times together doing other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of shallow girls who roll their eyes about the sorts of things you like, but I have found that as these girls grow up, they finally learn to appreciate the stability of a guy who has a brain and uses it.  I know many, many couples where the guy is an engineer or surgeon and his wife is an extroverted social director.  Or perhaps you should give an introverted girl a chance!  See the girl who&#8217;s reading a book over there&#8230;.she may not be into the games you like, but you two can have lots of good times together doing other things.</p>
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		<title>By: unclegluon</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>unclegluon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My purpose is not to say that women ought to be cheerleaders/booth girls but to point out that the social roles in question are inherently reversible based on circumstance.

The main point is to demonstrate that there is nothing inherently wrong or inferior about the nerdy adopted culture and interests of social outcasts.

You have vastly misunderstood me if you think I&#039;m saying it&#039;s a women&#039;s place to serve the stud his drinks and do it quickly and submissively!
What I&#039;m saying is that if the circumstances were changed, women would value a nerd for his skills and social allegiances rather than reject him outright.

There is a narrow segment of the female population who do like nerdy outcasts, but the vast majority do not.
Perhaps not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; women prefer the guys with highest social prestige.  However, this generally holds true.  It&#039;s just how our human nature works.

Introverts care about belonging and having a place where they feel accepted just like anyone else.  It&#039;s the standards of the oppressive accepted society they don&#039;t much care about.

It&#039;s hard to have a complex, fulfilling relationship with a girl if you can&#039;t &#039;get&#039; her first.
Also you should try to see from the viewpoint of a guy in this case.
As a girl, you can expect to be approached.  Guys have to go out and &#039;get&#039; themselves girls.  As such, guys don&#039;t have the luxury of being as selective as girls, unless of course they have very high social prestige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My purpose is not to say that women ought to be cheerleaders/booth girls but to point out that the social roles in question are inherently reversible based on circumstance.</p>
<p>The main point is to demonstrate that there is nothing inherently wrong or inferior about the nerdy adopted culture and interests of social outcasts.</p>
<p>You have vastly misunderstood me if you think I&#8217;m saying it&#8217;s a women&#8217;s place to serve the stud his drinks and do it quickly and submissively!<br />
What I&#8217;m saying is that if the circumstances were changed, women would value a nerd for his skills and social allegiances rather than reject him outright.</p>
<p>There is a narrow segment of the female population who do like nerdy outcasts, but the vast majority do not.<br />
Perhaps not <i>all</i> women prefer the guys with highest social prestige.  However, this generally holds true.  It&#8217;s just how our human nature works.</p>
<p>Introverts care about belonging and having a place where they feel accepted just like anyone else.  It&#8217;s the standards of the oppressive accepted society they don&#8217;t much care about.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to have a complex, fulfilling relationship with a girl if you can&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; her first.<br />
Also you should try to see from the viewpoint of a guy in this case.<br />
As a girl, you can expect to be approached.  Guys have to go out and &#8216;get&#8217; themselves girls.  As such, guys don&#8217;t have the luxury of being as selective as girls, unless of course they have very high social prestige.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah J</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that society values traits fairly arbitrarily, but I think your post misses a more important point. I wouldn&#039;t consider players being &quot;supplied with pretty ‘booth girls’ who serve them drinks or take care of their needs during the course of a match&quot; to be something that we, as a society, should aspire to (even if it&#039;s the introvert geeks who supposedly luck out). Sure introverts are awesome, but so are women and I think they should be given some credit. Maybe some women are won over by impressive displays of athleticsm/RTS, but obviously this isn&#039;t always the case. I think many introverts would appreciate more complex relationships as opposed to simply &quot;getting a girl&quot;. But more to the point, do introverts even really care about social status and prestige?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that society values traits fairly arbitrarily, but I think your post misses a more important point. I wouldn&#8217;t consider players being &#8220;supplied with pretty ‘booth girls’ who serve them drinks or take care of their needs during the course of a match&#8221; to be something that we, as a society, should aspire to (even if it&#8217;s the introvert geeks who supposedly luck out). Sure introverts are awesome, but so are women and I think they should be given some credit. Maybe some women are won over by impressive displays of athleticsm/RTS, but obviously this isn&#8217;t always the case. I think many introverts would appreciate more complex relationships as opposed to simply &#8220;getting a girl&#8221;. But more to the point, do introverts even really care about social status and prestige?</p>
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		<title>By: unclegluon</title>
		<link>http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/07/13/extrovert-critic-youll-never-get-laid-if-you-____/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>unclegluon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of what I write makes more sense when you&#039;ve read more than article.  The concepts I explore are generally built one on top of the other.

You misunderstand my intent:
My meaning is that the divergent path tends to be inferior &lt;i&gt;from the conventional perspective.&lt;/i&gt;
You would be mistaken to suppose that is my personal opinion.

Absolution describes in this context a different concept than you are used to.  I have elaborated on it in other posts.  I will hyperlink it to the definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what I write makes more sense when you&#8217;ve read more than article.  The concepts I explore are generally built one on top of the other.</p>
<p>You misunderstand my intent:<br />
My meaning is that the divergent path tends to be inferior <i>from the conventional perspective.</i><br />
You would be mistaken to suppose that is my personal opinion.</p>
<p>Absolution describes in this context a different concept than you are used to.  I have elaborated on it in other posts.  I will hyperlink it to the definition.</p>
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